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November 15, 2018



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DICKSON: Yes. And that’s actually a key point. We’ve only got 130 days until Brexit which is like its concentrate minds which I suspect is why she’s waited until now to put forward this proposal. So this is a hugely significant cabinet meeting this afternoon. Now, sources seem to be saying in London that they think she will get it through her cabinet. The majority that sort of key figures of the cabinet will grudgingly accept this.

There might be one or two (INAUDIBLE) smart money seems to be that the majority of her cabinet will fall in line because as you say the clock is ticking and actually they’re looking down the barrel of no deal, political price is, you know, a leadership challenge which the Conservative Party exactly need don’t want right now. Certainly, the cabinet don’t want right now.

STEVENS: OK. Annabelle, we’ll have to leave it there. Thank you so much for joining us. Annabelle Dickson, columnist political commentator with Politico E.U. Now, the U.S. vice president is taking Myanmar’s de facto leader to task over the Rohingya crisis in her country. Mike Pence raised the issue with Aung San Suu Kyi at the ASEAN Summit in Singapore.


MIKE PENCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: The violence and persecution by military and vigilantes that resulted in driving 700,000 Rohingya to Bangladesh is without a fuse. I’m (INAUDIBLE) about the progress that you’re making holding those accountable or responsible for the violence that displaced so many hundreds of thousands created such suffering included the loss of life.


STEVENS: (INAUDIBLE) at the summit likewise calling for accountability in this crisis. Suu Kyi herself has denied allegations that her military committed genocide and rape against Rohingya Muslims. A pilot association is accusing Boeing of withholding critical safety information about the plane default in last month’s deadly crash off the Coast of Jakarta in Indonesia. The Allied Pilots Association says Boeing did not inform them about the potential hazards of a new flight control feature on the plane.

In question the 737 MAX. They uninformed them a week after the crash. Well, CNN asked the president of Southwest Airlines, a U.S. airline. The Southwest Airlines pilots’ association to weigh in on that controversy.

JON WEAKS, PRESIDENT, SOUTHWEST AIRLINES PILOTS ASSOCIATION: The theory that we didn’t need to know about the system because it would not occur in the normal flight envelope. We strongly disagree with. We need to know what systems are on the airplane, how the system supposed to function on a normal basis as well as how to address the problems that may occur when you have an abnormal function of that system. We certainly believe the MAX is a safer plane to fly.

We do have some issues the way that system was communicated to us about how we became aware of its existence and the possible malfunctions that might occur. Now that we know the system exist, now that we know the possible problems that may occur, that gives us a heightened awareness to be able to address the incidence if and when they happen.

STEVENS: So Boeing insist the plane is safe and a reminder the cause of the crash which killed 189 people does remain under investigations. Those black boxes still not yet found. So let’s bring in Jeffrey Thomas now for his perspective. Jeffrey is editor-in-chief of Airlineratings.com. Jeff, great to see you again. This is proving a pivotal issue here. Basically, the Allied Pilots Association which is a part association of U.S. Airline Pilots rejecting Boeing’s claims that they put this new safety bulletin out after the crash to reinforce what was already in the training manual.

The Allied Pilots Association says basically it wasn’t in the -- in the manual. This was new information. That if it’s true is a very, very damming allegation against Boeing isn’t it?

GEOFFREY THOMAS, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, AIRLINERATINGS.COM: From a surface of it, it would appear to be and of course one must listen to the Allied Pilots Association. However, there are a couple of other perspectives here. First of all, this -- what we’re talking about here is a new system put in to compensate for the fact that the MAX’s has got higher powered engines and its engine seat a little bit higher off the wing.

[02:40:21] Therefore, there’s a tendency when the plane has been flown manually for the nose to pitch up a little bit more. Now, this is only when the plane is being flown manually. And what you end up with is a runaway stabilizer trim. This is a fly wheel. This is the trim at the back -- the -- it’s a -- it’s a control service at the back of the plane and it -- then you have a fly wheel beside the (INAUDIBLE) there’s two of them right beside the pilots and (INAUDIBLE) spins backwards in force as the plane is being trimmed.

So if it’s -- if you have a runway stabilizer trim, it’s not a warning light necessarily. You got the trim wheels spinning in one direction going down. Now, it’s a very simple (INAUDIBLE) for that. There’s a turnoff switch and that’s what Boeing is referring to when they’re talking about advice the pilots to reinforce what’s already out there is if you have this runway stabilizer trim, you flipped the switch and then you -- and you disengage this fly wheel completely and you -- and the problem goes away.

That’s putting it very simply I know.



STEVENS: Sorry. Go on.

THOMAS: No, no. You go on.

STEVENS: OK. So I just want to come back to this issue of whether or not that was in the manual. What you’re saying is -- it may -- it was in there but in a different -- under a different guise perhaps. But it - and this should be putting easy -- this should be pretty easy to decide whether the pilot should have known about it or it was not in the manual? Am I right in saying (INAUDIBLE) in the manual or it’s not in the manual?

THOMAS: Yes, and it’s a matter of interpretation. And certainly, this particular system which is called the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System or MCAS for shorts. The argument that Boeing is putting forward and another people who involved in the crew resource managements and whatnot, what they’re saying is they didn’t want to overload the pilots with more alarms, more systems because this system is designed to operate in the background a little bit like your computer virus system on your computer. It simply sits in the background and does its thing. What (INAUDIBLE)

STEVENS: Sorry, Jeff, I just want to interrupt you. Is this then a question of training that Boeing needs to be clear when it’s training parts or when there’s a training off pilots on their new airline because Lion Air is saying that their pilots were trained to deal with this?

THOMAS: Well, that’s a very interesting point. That’s a very interesting point and this system (INAUDIBLE) Lion Air pilots flew this airline three times before the crash. They had this problem. They flew through it and they landed. Lion Air replaced parts of least once and when this problem continued, they didn’t ground the airplane. So there’s a number of series questions there for Lion Air to answer. This system that’s come -- that’s come to (INAUDIBLE) we still don’t know exactly what the pilots did because we don’t have the copy of the voice recorder.

So there’s a lot of things out there that are still big question marks particularly for the Lion Air operation. Now, this system, yes, Boeing needs to have a look at this, but we yet to determine where this was actually the cause of the accident.

STEVENS: It’s good to say if -- just very quickly, Jeff. When the black boxes are found, do you expect to be able to be told definitively what happened to that flight?

THOMAS: The cockpit voice recorder will absolutely (INAUDIBLE) the icing on the cake. It will tell us what the pilots were doing and why they were doing it, and we’ll understand the dynamics of what was going on (INAUDIBLE) we don’t have the voice recorded and we do definitely need that and we need to have more information from Indonesia. Now, people are accusing Boeing of being silent on this (INAUDIBLE) under crash investigations, Boeing (INAUDIBLE) cannot comment on the investigation nor can the NTSB if the Indonesians are doing this investigation.

So we have to wait for them to give us the information. So, really at this day (INAUDIBLE) withholding information if anybody is withholding information.

[02:45:10] STEVENS: Geoffrey, we’ll have to leave it there. Geoff Thomas, editor-in-chief at Airlineratings.com. Thanks so much.

THOMAS: My pleasure.

STEVENS: Now, a Saudi Intelligence officer reacts. Coming up, the latest on reports of recording of the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi.


STEVENS: Saudi Intelligence officer was reportedly shocked and called the audio recording of Jamal Khashoggi’s killing a “true disaster”. A pro-government Turkish newspaper quotes the Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, is saying that when the officer heard the recording, he thought the kill team was on heroin.

This follows a New York Times report that the recordings container remark that the U.S. officials believe links the journalists killing to the Saudi Crown Prince, himself. Jomana Karadsheh has details.

JOMANA KARADSHEH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The New York Times in this report says it has spoken to three people who are familiar with the audio recording that Turkey says it has with the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. And they say on this audio can be heard a phone call that was made by one of the 15 Saudi’s -- a member of that hit team that carried out the killing of Jamal Khashoggi.

He is identified as Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb. He is a member of the inner circle of the crown prince. He’s a former diplomat at the Embassy in London. He’s a security official and an intelligence officer. In his first speaking to superior telling him “Tell your boss.” Something along the lines of the deed is done.

Now, he doesn’t specifically mention the Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. But, according to U.S. intelligence officials, they believe the term your boss is in reference to the crown prince. Several U.S. officials in recent weeks have told CNN that they believe an operation like this that would have involved members of the inner circle of Mohammad bin Salman could not have happened without the knowledge of the de facto leader of Saudi Arabia.

But Saudi Arabia for its part has repeatedly denied that he had any knowledge of this operation. They have blamed it on rogue elements. And some members of the intelligence community believes that this is -- you know, this latest revelation is as close as they get to a smoking gun. But it’s not necessarily irrefutable evidence, the direct link to the crown prince.

On Tuesday, the National Security Advisor John Bolton, reportedly told journalists in Singapore on the sidelines of the summit there that he did not personally hear the recording. But those who did, it is their assessment that it does not implicate the Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman. Nonetheless, these leaks as they continue they are definitely putting more and more pressure not just on the Saudis, but also on the U.S. administration to push their Saudi allies to answer some other questions that many have, and especially that Turkey has put forward. Especially, the key question of who ordered the killing of Jamal Khashoggi. Jomana Karadsheh, CNN, Istanbul.


[02:50:29] STEVENS: A top Kremlin opponent says that he’s been blocked from leaving Russia. Alexei Navalny is one of the most prominent critics of the Russian President Vladimir Putin. A CNN’s Brian Todd reports, his high profile might be the reason he’s still alive.


BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: He’s been roughed up at protests, arrested, detained scores of times by Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin. Now, Alexei Navalny, Putin’s most powerful and famous arch-rival, says he’s been barred from exiting Russia and has had his passport confiscated.

The opposition leader posted a picture of himself on Instagram awaiting screening at border control. He was trying to get to a human rights court hearing in France. Analysts say, despite all the harassment and threats leveled at him over the years, there’s a key reason Alexei Navalny is still alive. Unlike some of Putin’s other notable critics.

BEN JUDAH, CONTRIBUTING WRITER, POLITICO: In a previous instances where he has been persecuted or detained by Russian officials, there’s been such a blowback in Russian public opinion and protests that Putin has been apprehensive and nervous about going through with it.

TODD: Now, another well-known Putin critic has leveled a stinging broadside at the Russian president. Asked by Vanity Fair magazine if he’d compared Putin to Joseph Stalin, American born financier Bill Browder, said, “I see him as a modern-day Pablo Escobar. Putin has no ideology whatsoever. Putin is pedestrian. All he wants is money and to hurt his enemies.”

Escobar, the late kingpin of Colombia’s Medellin drug cartel was notorious for his thirst for blood. Once blamed for blowing up a passenger plane to strike at his enemies. Browder believes Putin wants to strike at him and spoke about it when we interviewed him in Washington.

What are the security threats you have received?

BILL BROWDER, CO-FOUNDER, HERMITAGE CAPITAL MANAGEMENT: They’ve -- the Russian government has made numerous death threats against me. They want to kill me, they’d like to kidnap me, they’d like to me have me arrested and sent back to Russia.

TODD: Putin even brought up Browder by name at the Helsinki summit with President Trump. Saying, he might make Russians available for questioning in the Mueller investigation if Russian officials could interrogate Browder. Trump didn’t push back.

Putin has a seething hatred for Browder. Because Browder spearheaded the passage of the Magnitsky Act. An American law which sanctions powerful Russians close to Putin and prevents them from getting to the money they’ve stashed outside Russia.

BROWDER: I have found his Achilles heel. I’ve created a mechanism, a legal mechanism to seize that money, and he feels personally aggrieved, and he has a vendetta against me.

TODD: Even with his critics embolden, one analyst believes the only person who can toss Vladimir Putin from power is Vladimir Putin.

JUDAH: I don’t think that Putin is vulnerable to an overthrow from the streets. And I don’t think that Putin is for the moment vulnerable to some sort of coup d’etat. I think that Putin’s greatest vulnerability is actually himself and his own physical health, which is one of the reasons he’s so obsessed of sports and exercise.

TODD: We asked Russian officials for a response to Browder’s comparison of Putin to Pablo Escobar. An official here at the Russian embassy referred us to a previous statement calling Browder a businessman with a stained reputation and referring to Putin accusing Browder of stealing 1-1/2 billion dollars from Russia when Browder was a financier there. An accusation which Bill Browder vehemently denies. Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.


STEVENS: The art world is preparing for a record-breaking auction. David Hockney’s Portrait of an Artist is going on the block in New York. How much is it expected to fetch? We’ll take a look in just a moment.


[02:55:19] STEVENS: $80 million. Apparently, that’s all that stands between you and David Hockney’s Portrait of an Artist. Hockney is considered by many to be Britain’s greatest living artist. And the painting is expected to set a record at auction on Thursday. CNN’s Nick Glass spoke with the famously recruit -- reclusive artist last year.


DAVID HOCKNEY, PAINTER, UNITED KINGDOM: I have always loved looking. I’ve always loved looking. When I could go on the Bradford buses on my own, I used to run right upstairs, run to the front of the buses so you could see more. You could see more.

NICK GLASS, CNN ARTS REPORTER: The irrepressible David Hockney in his studio in the Hollywood Hills. Hockney has been looking at the world and at us unblinkingly for over 60 years now. The gaze has always been intense. This is you, 16?

HOCKNEY: 17 years old.

GLASS: No space, you have a favorite painting there.

HOCKNEY: No, last one.

GLASS: The last one.

HOCKNEY: Last one I’m doing, yes.

I came to California in 1964 when nobody knew me, and I preferred that. I’ve always been running away a bit from London anyway.

GLASS: The sunlight, the boys and the swimming pools, Hockney’s best- known work is perhaps, from the 60s and 70s including A Bigger Splash.

HOCKNEY: very famous small brushes, all little lines which I saw was rather amusing. I could have just done it like that, but I thought, no, I won’t. I will do it painstakingly.

GLASS: Hockney has always been happy to embrace new technology. Including most recently, the iPad.

HOCKNEY: Well, I live in the now, you’ve paid in the now. And it’s always now, anyway.

GLASS: David Hockney, remains as everybody knows a committed smoker. Equally, he’s still obsessively, joyously, painting away.

HOCKNEY: I feel 30 when I’m in the studio. Well, you want to be 30, don’t you if you’re 80. So, I come in the studio every day and work. Because then, I feel 30.


STEVENS: A living legend. You’re watching CNN NEWSROOM. I’m Andrew Stevens. I’ll be back in just a moment with more news.


(Byline: Andrew Stevens, Jomana Karadsheh, Brian Todd, Nick Glass)

(Guest: Annabelle Dickson, Geoffrey Thomas, Scott Lucas)

(High: Theresa May’s allies in the Democratic Unionist party have warned her that the government’s proposed Brexit deal risks breaking up the U.K., as the opposition masses against the prime minister on a potentially treacherous day for her plan. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said recordings related to the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, shocked a Saudi intelligence officer who listened to them, saying that when the officer heard the recording, he thought the kill team was on heroin. Kremlin critic Alexei Navalny was stopped from leaving Russia on Tuesday, a move he said was designed to prevent him from attending the finale of a legal case he filed at Europe’s top human rights court. A pool painting by David Hockney called Portrait of an Artist is set to become the most expensive by a living artist which is expected to sell in the $80 million range.)

(Spec: United Kingdom; Theresa May; Brexit; European Union; Northern Ireland; Republic of Ireland; Myanmar; Mike Pence; Aung San Suu Kyi; Rohingya Muslim; Indonesia; Lion Air; Boeing 737 MAX; Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System; Jamal Khashoggi; Recep Tayyip Erdogan; Mohammad bin Salman; Maher Abdulaziz Mutreb; Saudi Arabia; John Bolton; Alexei Navalny; Vladimir Putin; Bill Browder; Pablo Escobar; Helsinki summit; Magnitsky Act; David Hockney; Portrait of an Artist; A Bigger Splash)

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