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DAVID ASMAN, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK HOST: Thank you for watching. We’ll see you back here tomorrow.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Democrats are using delayed tactics. We got to fully fund the federal government. The Department of Homeland Security is part of the federal government. They are stuck right now. They are saying they are interested in securing the border but yet, they haven’t made of the step forward. And we have offered, we have provided a good faith offer to the Democrats.

We are ready and willing. We’ve been ready and willing for weeks to ensure to reopen the government and insure that we also address this humanitarian crisis.

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ELIZABETH MACDONALD, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK HOST: Week three of the partial shutdown. President Trump will address the nation during primetime from the Oval Office tomorrow night. We will carry it live at Fox Business. Will the president announce he will declare a national emergency to get that wall built? Will he make that announcement tomorrow night? We’ll bring you that story. The president then heads to the borders on Thursday.

Now the state of the union address is just three weeks away. Will the shutdown end before then? That’s coming up. This as the TSA denies shutdown chaos at the airport. We’ll look at the pictures. We’re monitoring it all with updates.

Now the hard-left now running the Democrat Party, we fact check Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. It appears she has now opened a front, a new front a war on math. She’s right. Don’t believe her on the facts. Even her own evidence contradicts her arguments on 60 Minutes last night. We’re going to bring you the story.

And Senator Elizabeth Warren goes to Iowa. Her message I’m going to win the White House by retooling and redoing capitalism and healthcare. But will Senator Warren’s policies help or hurt the country. We got that story.

Now thank you for joining us. Thank you for watching. Money, politics, we got the debate behind tomorrow’s headlines. I’m Elizabeth MacDonald. THE EVENING EDIT stars right now.

Welcome to the show. You are watching the Fox Business Network.

Let’s take you to the airport. Homeland security says they are not in chaos due to the shutdown despite media report of growing lines at airports like La Guardia. The story here is that TSA agents are using the shutdown to call and sick and say will get paid anyway.

Also, this story, the country’s biggest pilot union for airlines like Delta and United, they want an end to the shutdown saying, it is quote, “affecting the safety, security and efficiency of our national air system.”

Chad Pergram he is live at the capital with an update. Chad?

CHAD PERGRAM, FOX NEWS SENIOR PRODUCER: Here’s what’s going to happen next. The president is known for his use of Twitter but he’s going to go old school tomorrow. He’s going to give an old-fashioned Oval Office televised address Reagan style to speak to the country.

Also late tomorrow afternoon, Vice President Mike Pence is going to come to the capital along with Kirstjen Nielsen, the secretary of homeland security to brief Republicans about the crisis at the border. Jerry Nadler, the chairman of the house judiciary committee, he says that he expects the president, his words to lie tomorrow night.

Now we keep hearing a lot of rattling around here on Capitol Hill about whether or not the president is going to impose a national emergency and go around Congress to try to get his border wall. Other presidents have certainly pushed the envelope when it comes to executive power. We saw President Truman do that trying to federalize the steel industry. President Obama did with recess appointments, both were rebuke at Supreme Court.

I will say this. Members of Congress are very protective of their prerogatives, especially appropriators. It said that there are three types of members of Congress. There are Democrats, Republicans, and appropriators. And when you start trying to move money around for issues that haven’t been authorized, or appropriated by Congress members of Congress of both parties get very jumpy.

Also, you’ve seen a lot of Republicans give deference to President Trump on a number of issues, but we’ve seen pushback before on Saudi Arabia how he dealt with Jamal Khashoggi, the killing of Jamal Khashoggi, also his withdrawal on Syria. If the president were to push too far dealing with national emergency, as it pertains to the border, you might get a rebuke here on Capitol Hill, not just from Democrats, but from Republicans. Elizabeth?

MACDONALD: And Chad, the TSA is saying the TSA worker absences are related to the -- to holiday related absences. What’s your take on that, what are you hearing about that? We’re hearing that the really wasn’t that much going on when it comes to the TSA absences.

One thing I can bet, though, and I’ve talked to a couple people here on Capitol Hill that if there were absences of people calling out once they really get Congress going in the next couple of weeks and the government shutdown eventually is put to rest. There will be hearings on that issue and definitely congressional inquiries.

MACDONALD: Good to see you, sir. Now next up, last month President Trump said it was time to bring troops home from Syria. But he and national security adviser John Bolton say not so fast.

Fox News Channel’s Trey Yingst is in Jerusalem with the details. Trey?

TREY YINGST, FOX NEWS CHANNEL REPORTER: Liz, President Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton arrived in Turkey today, where he will meet with senior Turkish officials about the latest regional developments regarding Iran and Syria.

A senior national security official confirmed to Fox News that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Joseph Dunford will join Bolton in Ankara opera as he lays out the Trump administration’s vision for the future of Syria and the U.S. troop withdrawal. Bolton’s time in Turkey follows a meeting earlier this week with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu where he laid out an open-ended timeline for U.S. troop withdrawal from Syria.

Bolton indicating to reporters in Jerusalem Sunday that the Trumpet administration will wait for assurances from Turkey about the fate of U.S.- backed Kurdish fighters before withdrawing troops. The shift in U.S. policy is the latest in a series of reversals following President Trump’s December decision regarding Syria.

Amid continued reporting on the topic President Trump tweeted Monday, quote, “The failing New York Times has knowingly written a very inaccurate story on my intentions on Syria. No different from my original statements, we will be leaving at a proper pace while at the same time continuing to fight ISIS and doing all else that is prudent and necessary.”

President Trump’s original statements indicated a U.S. troop withdraw in 30 days. Last week that timeline was extended to four months. Now following Ambassador Bolton’s comments in Israel there is no set timeline on the said conditions. Bolton says that while the U.S. withdrawal will happen under the right conditions some troops will be moved to Iraq to continue the fight against ISIS. Liz?

MACDONALD: Thank you, Trey. In Jerusalem, Trey Yingst.

Stocks rallying for the second day. All three indices in the green over hopes about a U.S.-China trade talk deal.

Let’s get to Susan Li with the latest. Susan?

SUSAN LI, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And Elizabeth, don’t forget, volatility still with us because the Dow swinging 350 points today, but ending in positive territory. And this adds that 700-point rally that we saw on Friday. This is what we call consolidation in the market.

There are questions whether or not the markets in Wall Street could actually follow through with yet another advance. It looks like we might be looking at sustained gains heading into at least for this month which we call the January effect.

But let’s a look at why we saw markets gain today. And this is on hopes of maybe a U.S.-China trade deal optimism as we call as they did kick off a two-day to two days of trade discussions over in Beijing with a special appearance by the head of the China delegation Liu He, making an appearance in Zhongnanhai which is where they’re having these negotiations in the Chinese capital.

And Wall Street is hopeful that maybe we’ll see some sort of deal, at least lay the groundwork for more negotiations in the future to get ahead of that March 1st deadline.

Let’s also talk about Amazon versus Microsoft because today it was about technology leading the advance. And given that we’ve seen this pullback in recent months for these technology names, Amazon actually overtook Microsoft as the world’s largest company at $797 billion, so off that $1 trillion mark that Amazon crossed in the summer.

And talking about equities at this point, interesting notes over the weekend and really in the first week of January, E-Mac, we had Blackrock that half of their institutional clients that $7 trillion worth, half of them will actually decline drop at their exposure to equities.

Meantime, Citigroup on the other hand, or Citi as its branded, now saying that actually they’re advising their clients to buy on the dip because they’re not seeing these concrete bear signs that a lot of the markets have priced in. Back to you.

MACDONALD: Who do you follow, Susan Li, great to see you. Thank you so much, Susan Li on the markets there.

Now President Trump will address the nation from the Oval Office for the first time tomorrow night. Today the president not moving off of the $5.7 billion he wants for wall funding. He’s pushing for steel barrier -- barriers now instead of concrete. The president also says he could use a, call for, rather, a national American emergency to use money from the military’s budget to pay for the border wall. Also, that the army potentially is already working on just that with homeland security.

Joining me now, we welcome to the show, North Dakota Senator John Hoeven. Great to see you, sir.

SEN. JOHN HOEVEN, (R) NORTH DAKOTA: Good to be with you, Liz.

MACDONALD: So, this service it’ been discuss as kind of a dicey moved to use any part of the military’s budget to pay for the pay. Is it correct that the president would have to establish that there’s an eminent wartime threat at the border to get the authority to spend it? We don’t know he could use tomorrow night’s address to declare a national emergency too.

HOEVEN: Well, clearly, this president and others have used the military on the border, so that’s been established, that’s been done as you know a number of times. As far as what he would do relative to actually constructing a wall or border security, you know, we have to see what it looks like and what the emergency authority is that he’s invoking.

MACDONALD: Would you be supportive of the president using the military budget for the border wall?

HOEVEN: I’m very supportive of building the wall having border security. We absolutely need to do that. We need to find a way to do that.

MACDONALD: But what about using the military budget for it, would you have support that?

HOEVEN: Well, so, we have to see what he intends to do and how he intends to do it. But there’s no question we’ve got to have that border security.

MACDONALD: Well, here’s Border Patrol Council President Brandon Judd, saying it really is an emergency at the border. Watch.

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BRANDON JUDD, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL BORDER PATROL: If you look at the first two months of this fiscal year, we’re on pace to arrest approximately 800,000 people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What?

JUDD: Yes. Exactly.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait. In two months?

JUDD: We’re on pace, so by the end of the fiscal year we will -- if we continue down this road, we will arrest close to 800,000 people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That’s for the year.

JDD: For the year.

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MACDONALD: That would be a record, sir, 800,000. That’s a stunner. Your thoughts there.

HOEVEN: Well, that’s it’s very appropriate that he’s talking to the nation tomorrow night. He is going to the border on Thursday and making the case. I believe that the American people very much want border security. It is common sense. It is part of national security. Clearly, we need to fund this, along with funding the remaining 25 percent of the government.

MACDONALD: Yes. The Associated Press is out with a new poll showing a growing number of both Democrats and Republicans say that the problems at the border and our immigration policy are an issue, they are concerned about it.

HOEVEN: Right.

MACDONALD: About half the country according to this poll is concerned about it. Sir, people are saying, you know what, move on, get it done, move on. There are bigger issues out there. And we got the state of the union address coming up. Will the shutdown be over by then, and if not, will the president use the state of the union to work in, you know, the border issue in his favor. What’s your -- what are your thoughts there?

Well, he’s not only making the case with his address tomorrow night going to the border, but look, he’s negotiating. He’s sitting down with the Democrats. He’s saying, OK, fine. What is it that you have to have to make this work? So, he is showing I think a real willingness to come to terms but that it’s not only funding the government, it’s getting this border security and getting in a way that truly works.

And again, that goes back to the case you make to the American people and I think they see him working to try to get this done.

MACDONALD: And you know what’s going to be key, senator, to your point is that the Supreme Court will rule on Friday potentially, we’re monitoring it. That whether or not the president does have the authority to overturn President Obama’s DACA, the DREAMer executive order, executive action that he took there.

HOEVEN: Right.

MACDONALD: If the Supreme Court effectively says the president does not have the authority to end DACA that basically means, sir, that the present, President Trump does have the power to enact border policy. Senator Feinstein told Barack Obama that. So, watching the Supreme Court Friday, I mean, the president to act on his own, maybe after the Supreme Court ruling.

HOEVEN: All these things going -- go into securing the border and getting the right approach to immigration. The president has put a lot of ideas here. Democrats now need to work with hi, work with the Republicans in Congress and come up with something that secures the border and addresses all these issues we are in regard to illegal immigration.

And beyond that, even, you know, the sanctuary cities, law enforcement, all these things. Again, that’s what’s serves the American people, that’s what they want.

MACDONALD: Senator Hoeven, let’s think this, sir just for one second. What if the president uses his nationally televised address in primetime tomorrow night to say I am declaring a state of emergency? What will the reaction be in Congress and in the D.C. media beltway? Your take.

HOEVEN: Well, first, I think he is going to make the case. As far as his emergency authority if he starts laying that out, we need to take a look at what he’s proposing. Again, the objective has to be to secure the border.

MACDONALD: All right. Senator Hoeven, thank you for joining us. Great to see you, sir.

HOEVEN: Thanks, Liz.

MACDONALD: And be sure to tune in to Fox Business’s special primetime coverage of President Trump’s first Oval Office address. Neil Cavuto would take it up tomorrow night at 9 p.m. Eastern Time. You want to tune to that. Coming up, more on national security adviser, saying U.S. troops will not leave Syria as fast as planned. We’ll discuss with now retired Green Beret commander and current Florida Congressman Michael Waltz, that’s coming up.

But first, tax hikes yikes the hard-left wing of the Democrat Party already pushing 70 percent to 90 percent tax rate on the upper bracket. We’re going to debate their war in math and how won’t even pay for a month the government spending. Any tax hikes at these levels could collapse the economy. That’s coming up after the break. Stay there.

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JULIAN CASTRO, FORMER OBAMA OFFICIAL: I can support folks at the top paying their fair share. There was a time in this country where the top marginal tax rate was over 50 percent. Even during Reagan’s era in the 1980s it was around 50 percent. So, do I support in order to have something like Medicare for all. That we ask folks that are in the top .05 percent or .5 percent or the top 1 percent to pay more? Yes, I support that.

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MACDONALD: All right. More outrageous ideas from the hard-left. Now Democrat Julian Castro wants a 90 percent rate to pay for Medicare for all.

This is California, Colorado, and Vermont rejected single-payer saying it will bankrupt the state. And Castro think about running for president. We also have Alexandria Cortez wants to tax the upper brackets by up to 70 percent to pay for single-payer and agree an agenda and more.

Meantime, France is still reeling from anti-tax protest. Violence again surging this weekend as protesters turn out for the eighth straight week there. They attacked the government ministry building. The minister was forced to evacuate out the back door.

Let’s bring the Daily Signal’s Kelsey Harkness. All right. The extreme left seems to be calling the shots of the whole Democratic Party. Here’s a thing, Kelsey. You’re a student of history. Ninety -- about the -- about 86 percent or 90 percent of all the federal tax income tax revenues into the government here is paid for by the upper 20 percent. You can’t take blood out of a stone. They are taxing already to the top of their heads, the upper brackets and it won’t pay for their plans. The intellectual dishonesty there still continues, Kelsey. They got to tax the middle class to pay for it.

KELSEY HARKNESS, REPORTER AND NEWS PRODUCER, THE DAILY SIGNAL: You’re absolutely correct. Democrats are being disingenuous when they’re citing the tax rates right now and historic tax rates back in the 1950s. When there were marginal tax rates around 90 percent, but the reality is, there were so many loopholes that the top income earners were able to work around that. Nobody actually paid anywhere near 90 percent. They actually paid more around 42 percent, which is closer to where we are now.

So, I do think it’s really disingenuous for Democrats to be pretending that America ever had marginal tax rate where Americans were paying 90 percent of their income to the federal government.

MACDONALD: You know, you want the Cortez’s and the Castro’s to take their passion and to understand the tax system and maybe they’d be great fighters for a free market, you know, system where the government doesn’t tax everything because the tax rates they’re talking about would mean that just that the government gets bigger. Not that the money would be dealt out the door. The tax rate Cortez is talking about will pay for 2 percent of that single-payer system.

But here’s Cortez responding critics. Watch.

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REP. ALEXANDRIA OCASIO-CORTEZ, (D) NEW YORK: I think that there’s a lot people more concerned about being precisely, factually and semantically correct than about being morally right.

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MACDONALD: OK. Take that on, Kelsey.

HARKNESS: This was laughable. Of course, every elected official has an obligation to both be moral and be accurate in the statistics that they’re citing. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez not only has been in factual in multiple the claim she’s made. She doesn’t correct herself. The Washington Post ends up correcting her.

MACDONALD: Yes. Stay on that for a second. Whoopi Goldberg in The View actually said to Cortez, quote, “sits there for men to learn the job.” I mean, again, we appreciate her passion but it’s really about what she’s doing is minimizing her falsehoods as Charlie Kirk has said she’s constantly wrong but never in doubt.

I mean, remember, last year, Kelsey, she said we give the military $700 billion budget increase. They did but that was for the entire budget for all national security, it included the Pentagon. And then she said there’s some kind of $21 trillion pot of money at the Pentagon of waste. No. Those were accounting basically problems, a bookkeeping problem that included double counting money that would in and out the door at the Pentagon. You know, and I’ll tell you it goes on and on. That $32 trillion price tag for single-payers over 10 years the $21 trillion figures over 17 years.

I mean, you’re right, Kelsey, doesn’t acknowledge her mistakes. Go ahead.

HARKNESS: She doesn’t and what should be worrisome to Americans is that actually some of the more established Democrats looking at 2020 are taking a cue from her. There are seeing that some of her very far left ideas are gaining traction, are gaining steam and they’re supporting them. And I think if they continue down this road Americans are going to have a very simple choice when it comes to 2020, and that is whether or not they want to be taxed more upwards of 70 percent or less.

MACDONALD: Again, that 21 trillion was basically not having the paperwork to account for money that went in and out the door of the Pentagon over 17- year period. It’s not a pot of money at the Pentagon that’s a waste. You know, she also said that basically she wants to make the U.S. like Sweden. Let’s listen to the sound bite. Watch.

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CORTEZ: We had in mind and of my -- and my policies most closely resemble what we see in the U.K. in Norway in Finland in Sweden.

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MACDONALD: All right. Sweden practically has the flat tax. It has two brackets. The middle class pays a lot in taxes, so she is saying that the middle class will have to pay more for her policy ideas?

HARKNESS: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez isn’t alone in citing countries like Sweden as models for socialism. But in reality, Sweden is not a socialist country. According to the Heritage foundation’s index of economic freedom, their economy is actually more free than ours is here in the United States. They are rank 15 where the United States is Frank 18, so they do support free market policies. They do have business friendly policies.

So again, I think it’s really disingenuous for Democrats to be pretending that these countries are some sort of socialist utopia because really, they support a lot of similar policies that are good for our economy here as well.

MACDONALD: And Sweden doesn’t have a minimum wage. I mean, you know, to your point quickly final point. The prime minister of Denmark a few years ago said stop it, Bernie Sanders. We’re capitalist free market. We have a big welfare state that’s paid for by our success, right, Kelsey?

HARKNESS: He did.

MACDONALD: OK.

HARKNESS: And that’s the thing about many of these countries. They do -- they are capitalists.

MACDONALD: OK.

HARKNESS: They do support free markets and they own that.

MACDONALD: Kelsey Harkness, great to see you. Come back soon.

HARKNESS: Thank you, Liz.

MACDONALD: Now in other headlines let’s get to the NFL. The Eagles, the Charges, the Colts and the Cowboys all advance in the NFL playoffs. And last night’s Eagles-Bears game deliver the highest rating of any show in NBC since last year’s Super Bowl. Now, that gave won in spectacular fashion. The Eagles score the game winning touchdown with just a minute to go, and the Bears kicker missing the field goal, it was a heartbreak with 10 seconds to go.

Let’s ger to the Golden Globes kicking off a possibly whole ham ratings season four award season. Viewers tuning in and turning off. A three-year in ratings for the Globes last night after last year’s ratings hit a four- year low. “Bohemian Rhapsody” that movie took home the biggest award of the night, the best drama award, beating out “The Star is Born,” it’s basically a star is snubbed. The Oscars a month away still does not have a host. We’re staying on that one for you.

The safest airline, Australian Airline Qantas, it is named the safest airline in the world. Also, on that list, United, American, and Alaska airlines. We’re staying on that as well.

Coming up, national security adviser John Bolton clarifies the U.S. mission in Syria, saying that the U.S. troops will not leave Syria until ISIS is gone and allied Kurdish fighters are protected.

But first, while one New York Times opinion columnist argues that President Trump should be removed from office. We got another columnist there at the Times, declaring that his paper has not been anti-Trump. And that’s after former executive editor Jill Abramson warned that yes, the paper is putting profit over news when it comes to anti-Trump coverage. We’re going to take that on, next.

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MACDONALD: Breaking news. China state media reporting that North Korean dictator Kim Jong-un has been invited by President Xi Jinping to visit China. He is apparently on his way now by train. Now, the trip will take place through January 10th. We are going to stay on that story for you.

Now, this story. It is the New York Times versus the New York Times. We have opinion columnist David Leonhardt calling on President Trump. He is basically saying, step down, you’re unfit. Here is his case, “Trump has used the presidency for personal enrichment. He has violated campaign finance law, has obstructed justice, and subverted democracy.

But his colleague Frank Bruni says the New York Times has no anti-Trump bias. This despite a former top New York Times editor, Jill Abramson, saying, yeah, the Times is anti-Trump.

Let’s figure this out with Charles Hurt. He is the Washington Times’ opinion editor. Can you figure this out for us?

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CHARLES HURT, OPINION EDITOR, WASHINGTON TIMES: You know, I’ve been reading the New York Times basically my entire life and have respected it for many of those years, but I have to tell you, over the last several years, I have no idea what the heck is going on over there.

You know, obviously, these are hard times for newspapers to be sure, but a few newspapers have gone so far as the New York Times and as the Washington Post as well. They have gone so far to give up all pretenses of being balanced arbiters of the truth or balanced reporters of the news, and they have become the scandal sheets.

They are completely 100 percent devoted to the destruction of Donald Trump and the Trump administration. They will do whatever they can to thwart his agenda. I think, quite frankly, the thing that is most appalling to them is that it is an agenda that is so embraced by so many regular normal people in the country. People that don’t read the New York Times, for example.

MACDONALD: Charles, here is Frank Bruni making the case to CNN’s Brian Stelter. Let’s listen.

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FRANK BRUNI, COLUMNIST, NEW YORK TIMES: Anti-Trump connotes driven by some sort of animus regardless of the facts. I don’t think we’ve been anti- Trump. I think we have been negative, and I think that’s the only honest way to cover this president.

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