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THERESA MAY, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: I listen very carefully to what is being said in this chamber and out of it.

To what is being said in this chamber and out of it by members from all sides. From listening to those views, it is clear that while there is broad support for many of the key aspects of the deal on one issue, on one issue the North Ireland backstop there remains widespread and deep concern.

As a result, if we went ahead and held the vote tomorrow the deal would be rejected by a significant margin.


ELIZABETH MACDONALD, FOX NEWS HOST: Total political chaos in Britain triggering a big triple digit drop in the Dow but the blue chip index did retrace. This was all triggered by Prime Minister Theresa May announcing an embarrassing delay in the Brexit vote amid howls of laughter.

We have the U.K. expert Nile Gardiner on that. And why in the world the Brits would want to stay in the flatlining E.U. It is sinking under the weight of mushrooming bureaucracy, slumping economies, open borders.

Democrat socialists here want to bring European chaos to the United States. We’re going to take that point coming up. Case in point. Here is what else is going on. The hundreds of thousands violating -- they are rioting big time in France over the bad dead in the water economy and double digit joblessness there. President Emmanuel Macron today tried to calm the waters with a promise of worker tax cuts and wage increases. He did that in a nationwide address. It didn’t work.

Our power panel debates on whether that will be enough to stop France’s downward spiral. To the unrest spreading, to Belgium, to the Netherlands. Italy is in the financial crisis, worse in Greece. Germany’s economy is starting to shrink. We take it all on.

Now here at home, the Democrats ignore the good economy, they increasingly claim that Trump committed impeachable offenses in the allegations over the Michael Cohen campaign finance violations.

Both Democrats Jerry Nadler, the incoming chair of the House judiciary and the future intelligence committee chair Adam Schiff they are making that case. We are going to give you both sides of that debate. I’m going to debate it with Judge Napolitano.

We’re going to point out why the Democrats’ case may not be as strong an argument as they may think.

Well, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for watching. Money, politics, we’ve got the debate behind tomorrow’s headlines. I’m Elizabeth MacDonald. THE EVENING EDIT starts right now.

Let’s get right to the U.K. and Theresa May delaying the Brexit vote.

Ashley Webster he’s live on the ground outside the parliament with the latest. Ashley?

ASHLEY WEBSTER, FOX BUSINESS NETWORK CORRESPONDENT: Yes. You know, Liz, for the longest time leading up to today the prime minister said we are absolutely going forward with that vote, my Brexit deal.

But clearly, she wasn’t even close to having the number of votes she needed. And she finally admitted earlier today earlier today in the house of commons by saying I know this can’t win, I’m going to defer the vote.

So, what does she do now? Well, she has to go to Europe, she has to go to Brussels and try to renegotiate a deal that will be acceptable to the lawmakers here in the U.K., and that is no easy task.

Let me tell you. Earlier today, Nigel Farage stopped by here and he said listen, Mrs. May can go to Brussels if she likes and try to renegotiate. But he says she is wasting her time. Take a listen.


NIGEL FARAGE, MEMBER, BRITISH PARLIAMENT: We could be stuck indefinitely inside the European Union’s rules. She said she’ll go to Brussels on Thursday to the European summit with all the other 27 leaders of Europe and she will seek assurances and reassurances that the deal won’t be permanent but not change the legal document itself. That means this deal is dead and her premiership is very, very near its end.


WEBSTER: Liz, I’m sorry. Some -- Liz, somebody is speaking to my ear right now so it cut out the audio. But all I can tell you is Mrs. May will try to negotiate or renegotiate in Europe but we’ll have to wait and see how successful it is. She is trying to do that. I think she is also fighting for her political life as well, Lizzy. Back to you.

MACDONALD: Wow, what a story. Ashley, great reporting all day, Great to see you, sir.

Joining me is Nile Gardiner. He is the director of the Heritage Foundation’s Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom. Nile, your reaction to today’s events.

NILE GARDINER, DIRECTOR, MARGARET THATCHER CENTER FOR FREEDOM, HERITAGE FOUNDATION: Well, first of all, thanks for having me on the show, Liz. And I have to say, it’s been an extraordinary day in British politics and a humiliating day fork Theresa May. After all she was going to face a key vote in the House of Commons tomorrow. She would have been absolutely thoroughly defeated in that vote so she’s backtracked now.

She now says she’s going to try and renegotiate her very weak Brexit deal with the European Union. So, she is going to Brussels on Thursday. I don’t think she’ll going to get any concessions whatsoever here. The E.U. has already said or the European Commission exactly both the E.U. has declared that they are not going to renegotiate anything in this deal.

So, I think Theresa May is going to come back to London with no concessions whatsoever. She hasn’t outlined a clear-cut strategy for moving forward. I think her leadership so far has been extremely poor on the Brexit front and she is quickly sort of, you know, running out of options here but a disastrous stay for Theresa May. And--


MACDONALD: Yes, you wonder--


MACDONALD: You know, because now we got breaking news. There is now a big push by more than 50 economists in Europe and academics there including Thomas Piketty. Remember him, he was big income inequality.


MACDONALD: He ignored all of the government welfare programs in income inequality to arrive at his fraud conclusions. They want to enact a $920 billion tax in Europe to fix the problems there. How do you think that will go? That’s breaking news. I think did we lose Nile? OK. We lost Nile.

We’re going to jump ahead. We’re going to get right to Edward Lawrence. Because this is a breaking developing story that we have on what is going on in the U.K. Edward, a lot of stuff happening there. We have breaking now. They are talking about nearly a trillion-dollar tax hike to fix the problems in Europe on the heels of the unrest there.

And now, let’s move on to China, Edward. The U.S. just setting a hard deadline for a trade deal with China as Beijing summon up the U.S. ambassador, says the U.S. should withdraw its arrest warrant for the Huawei executive. She is currently detained in Canada and charge with sanctions fraud, Edward, that involves Iran. Edward, what’s going on now with that?

EDWARD LAWRENCE, FOX BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, exactly, Liz. Before we get into that, you know, you talk about a billion-dollar tax hike. You just mentioned in Europe the breaking news. Look what happened when they tried to raise the gas tax in France over this past weekend. So now they are going to try to add another tax across countries in Europe. So that may not go as well.

Now when you talk about China now, a number of sources have told me that they expect a face-to-face meeting with a Chinese trade delegation and the U.S. by the end of the month. The Chinese say that they are intensifying context and consultations as their market weakens and after the president’s meeting, President Trump and President Xi met at the G20, it seems that a tone change happened.

Still the U.S. postponed the tariff increase on $200 billion worth of Chinese goods from 10 percent to 25 percent to March 1st. Now the U.S. trade representative says that’s a hard deadline. White House economic advisors believe that the markets are now reflecting normal corrections and that the pressure on China will produce a deal.


KEVIN HASSETT, CHAIRMAN, CEA: It will be negotiated. And it’s a very high stakes negotiation with China. And President Trump just as he did with USMCA and with Korea is determine to get a great deal for Americans. It’s great for us, great for the Chinese, and great for global growth. And if he does markets are going to celebrate.


LAWRENCE: And the arrest of Huawei’s CFO Meng Wanzhou in Canada complicated the matter. Still, the Chinese seem to be moving forward with the trade talks. Now the U.S. has tried to impress upon them that a law enforcement action is separate from a trade negotiation. The Chinese have summoned and called the U.S. and Canadian ambassadors in Beijing to demand her release.

Still, she is asking for bail before an extradition hearing to the U.S. And today was the second day of that bail hearing. Now this certainly has strained relationships in these tense times during the trade talks unless these talks start again. Liz?

MACDONALD: Well, we’re lucky to have you on. And Edward, great to see you, sir. Let’s get back to Nile Gardner. With the feed cut out. Let’s bring back Nile Gardiner. I think we have him, right. And there he is. Nile, you know, you wonder what the Democrat socialists here are thinking when they see the flatlining and the chaos going on in Europe. What would Margaret Thatcher do?

GARDINER: Well, Margaret Thatcher was firmly against high taxes, against big government solutions. She strongly opposed socialist-style policies. And you know, actually she used to say, you know, the problem socialist governments is that eventually they run out of the other people’s money.

That’s exactly what’s happening across the European Union. And so, this idea from, you know, Thomas Piketty of, you know, of raising $800 billion of additional taxes for the European Union is a monstrously bad idea. The last thing the E.U. needs frankly is tax hikes. And you know, this is a-- you know, this is an entity that is, you know, drowning an unemployment that has huge unfunded pension liabilities.

And Emmanuel Macron’s France is symbolic of the huge problems that the E.U. faces today. Wo with very good reason 17.4 million Britain voted to leave the E.U. to free themselves from the shackles of the European Union. The last thing the United States should do is follow the lead of the E.U.

MACDONALD: Well, here is the message too. There is a top-heavy bureaucracy all over Europe and flatlining growth. It’s going upside down rapidly. Because basically, you’ve said this too. The debate, Nile, is that socialism is about envy, it’s about jealousy. It’s not about prosperity. Instead, it’s about control. And the fear is that it’s coming here.

And Nile, here is the other important point that Charles Moore, he is Thatcher’s biographer, Charles Moore wrote the autobiography of Margaret Thatcher. He said that Margaret Thatcher told him that when politicians are in office they often do votes like, you know, remain in Europe. But when they are out of office, all these politicians right or the left they, you know what, we should leave. We should be about Britain sovereignty. What’s your take on that?

GARDINER: Yes. I think the, you know, the winds of change are starting to blow across Europe and Britain is just the beginning. I think across Europe increasingly European public are starting to reject the European project. They had enough of this huge vast supranational entity that has, you know, suffocated national sovereignty and self-determination.

And so, what the British people are doing are blazing the trail forward for self-determination and freedom in Europe today. It’s just the shape of things to come, I think. Which is why the E.U. elites are fighting Brexit so hard and why the negotiations with Great Britain over Britain’s exit are being treated by European Union bureaucrats as some sort of punishment beating to try and warn other E.U. member states from leaving the E.U.

MACDONALD: Now E.U. could still be setting the rules for Great Britain. Nile, we need to have you again soon. Thank you so much, sir.

GARDINER: I look forward to it. Thank you.

MACDONALD: Let’s get to your money. Oil, U.S. crude falling more than 3 percent, settling at $52 a barrel, erasing gains on word of an OPEC deal to cut output. And prices at the gas pump. Look at this. The national average for regular gas is $2.42 per gallon. It is down 61 days straight.

Let’s get to deadly winter storms hitting the southeast. Nearly 200,000 still without power. North Carolina Raleigh Durham seeing an entire winter average of snowfall in just one day. Bryan Llenas is live on the ground in Asheville, North Carolina with the latest. Bryan?

BRYAN LLENAS, FOX NEWS NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: God evening, Liz. Well, look, North Carolina has not had a good year when it comes to weather and it’s been a brutal hurricane Florence, tropical storm Michael, floods, mud slides. And now a winter storm two months before the actual start of winter. And it’s affecting business here, especially in Asheville, with the 30 percent of the economy is service related. Restaurants and tourism.

We spoke to a business owner about how business this storm is really impacting his employees.


ANTHONY CGIOLA, BUSINESS OWNER: So, when you close, that’s a lifeline, it’s a direct line to them. I mean, that could be, you know, a month’s payment for rent, that could be a car payment. So, it’s very difficult for them to recover.


LLENAS: This storm has impacted five states in the south, but no one, no state harder than North Carolina. You are seeing some 76 school districts closed, 35,000 tons of salt laid on the roads to prevent icing. And right now, luckily it was 260,000 people without power. Now that number is down to 75,000.

Tonight, Liz, the big concern is ice on the roads. They are telling people to stay off these roads. It’s really dangerous out there with all that ice. Liz?

MACDONALD: Yes, block ice is really bad. Bryan, thank you so much for your reporting there, sir. Good to see you. Let’s get to the caravan and the border. We are getting news coming in that migrants are basically trying to climb over the wall. We know that but they are also now trying to dig under it.

Steve Harrigan is in Tijuana, Mexico with the latest. Steve.

STEVE HARRIGAN, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Liz, we have been seeing some remarkable images over the past week that show some of the desperation that some Central American caravan members are feeling.

On Friday, some pictures taken that show a mother and father with an 8- month-old baby boy, the father pushes the baby through a hole underneath the border wall, the mother catches the baby on the other side. They turn themselves in to border patrol on the U.S. side, the father stays here to continue working in Tijuana.

Earlier in the week, we saw parents dropping small children from the top of the 18-foot wall caught by another parent down below. It really goes to show the dire stress (Ph) felt by some people after a 2,000-mile trek, some of it by bus, some by foot from Central America.

And the numbers here show that people are leaving. The government-run shelter in Tijuana. It’s gone from about 6,000 down to 1,000. Some of those people returning home really in defeat. Others working here in Tijuana. You can get a factory job fairly easy. It’s not easy work. And the pay is just about $75 a week.

But certainly, others crossing that southern border illegally. Figures release by the government on Friday who a record number for the month of November 51,000 arrests for illegal crossings at the southern border. If you compare that to the same time period one year ago, it’s up 78 percent.

So, the migrants have come to Tijuana, and now they are dissipating. Some going back home. But some clearly crossing the border illegally. Liz, back to you.

MACDONALD: Great to see you, Steve. Thank you for your reporting. We will have more on the border with a sheriff from Arizona later in the show.

Now to tech on the hot seat. First, Google CEO will be grilled on Capitol Hill tomorrow on the company’s alleged abuse in collecting user data and your location without you knowing it, also allegations of anti-conservative bias.

We’ve got Harmeet Dhillon. She is a lawyer fighting Google bias. Let’s hear if Harmeet says this will stop anytime soon. And what liberal Democrats would do if Google was doing the same to them.

Riots continue to rock Paris over the weekend. Thousands of violent protesters swept in for a fourth weekend in a row. President Macron promising worker tax cuts. But why did it take riots to get him to do that. Is it too little too late? That’s next. Stay there.


MACDONALD: Well, we had another weekend of violent rioting on the streets of Paris. And for the first time today French President Emmanuel Macron responding to the so-called yellow vest protesters. They are angry over gas taxes, the high cost of living and more.

Deirdre Bolton has the details. Deirdre.

DEIRDRE BOLTON, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Hey, Liz. Well, the French president acknowledged the emotion of the people in the streets without condoning the violence against the police.


EMMANUEL MACRON, PRESIDENT OF FRANCE (through translator): I feel the anger. Give us another chance. Give a chance to the couple that needs to wake up in the morning and travel for a couple of hours to work far away from their home. Give the single woman, the single mother the chance to make ends meet. We have to take this into account.


BOLTON: Paris has been burning literally for weeks. Police have been biding -- fighting, rather, street battles with protesters so they have been hurling missiles, torching cars, putting graffiti on national monuments and looting shops. In fact, nearly 2,000 protesters have been arrested.

President Macron did make some concessions today. He announced wage increases for the poorest workers, tax cuts for pensioners. He also said he would not put that fuel tax into effect. And that was really the last straw for so many French citizens. It would have been the equivalent of about 30 cents more per gallon for gas.

So, he did blink on the gas tax. And he offered those other concessions. He still said he’s going for a reform though. So, he was elected on the idea of making the French economy more competitive. He promised reforms and the pensions systems, school system.

A number of civil service job redactions, 20 percent of the French population work for the state. Macron has said he wants that number to be lower. He’s also spoken about reducing job protection. It is so tough to fire a worker in France. There’s so many employers hesitate before hiring. That just slows the way that business is done.

He also promises to cut red tape for businesses. France has a brain drain. A lot of the best and the brightest leave. They go to Berlin, they go to London, they go to New York, they go to Silicon Valley. Also, Macron and there’s a super controversial talked about repealing the wealth tax.

So, this feeds his critics, saying that he sides with the rich. Now he says he does want that tax repealed, but high earners will have to pay their fair share.

So, Liz, sum total, the violence will come down based on the concessions he gave.

MACDONALD: Right. Yes.

BOLTON: He has a long road ahead.

MACDONALD: Deirdre, thank you so much for your reporting. I really appreciate it. Let’s get to the political panel. You just heard Deirdre’s report. The Daily Signal’s Kelsey Harkness, and Democrat strategist, Capri Cafaro is here.

Kelsey, listen, this is socialism that’s unsustainable, you can’t pay for it. And Kelsey, now they are talking about nearly a trillion dollars in new tax hikes to help fix the problems going on in France. I mean, it’s a top- heavy bureaucracy that’s smothering that economy. Your take on things, Kelsey.

KELSEY HARKNESS, SENIOR REPORTER, DAILY SIGNAL: Absolutely. I think this is going to end up being too little too late for President Macron. He has been ignoring the concerns of everyday French citizens for far too long. And instead of putting forth solutions that would actually help the economy free businesses from these massive regulations, these massive welfare state, he’s imposing minimum wage hikes which would actually hurt employment.

France has an unemployment rate right of over 8 percent. And increasing the minimum wage is only going to inflate that. So, I think, unfortunately, President Macron has a very difficult road ahead of them.

MACDONALD: Tin, can we show that banner to the viewer again. I think they are talking about a $920 billion tax hike all across Europe, Capri. I mean, we have protests spilling over into Belgium as well.


MACDONALD: People are furious. They have had it. Go ahead, Capri.

CAFARO: Look, people are furious all across, you know, the continent. But France in particular is unique in the sense that this is not the first time nor will it be the last for the French people to rise up for violent protests as a way to either communicate with or respond to something that the government has done.

I lived and studied in France for almost a year. That was the experience I have and I was there under France (Inaudible). And look, I mean, in the post Gaullist French era, you know, after World War II we’ve seen a lot of, you know, socialist leaders within France.

And unfortunately, the French people are relatively unrealistic on what they are asking from the government. On one hand, they want they are asking for lower taxes, they want higher wages but they refuse to deal with working more than 37 hours a week, for example.

MACDONALD: That’s a good point. And having competition. Capri makes an important point. It’s about liberalizing your economy, right, Kelsey. Because you have to make that leap of faith as to what works.

I mean, General Jack Keane said this earlier today about the collapse of European economies. We’re watching it unfold right now. Let’s listen to General Keane.


JACK KEANE, RETIRED U.S. ARMY: These social democracies still with that were formed after the end of World War II are just collapsing due to their own weight. I mean, the problem is they developed welfare states and they’ve asked their citizens who are their taxpayers to bear the burden of all of that. And they are just flat fed up.


MACDONALD: No to the Democrat socialist in D.C., Kelsey. We have it here. We’ve got Medicare, we’ve got social security, we have all sorts of insurance programs across the U.S. economy run by the government, Kelsey. It’s here, Kelsey.

HARKNESS: Absolutely. And I think a big warning sign for any of those who are concerned about climate change is that climate change, issues of climate change need to be solved in the free market. They certainly are not being solved in socialist states. And so, people who really care about that should look at what’s happening in France. Watch and see what we can do differently.


MACDONALD: Yes, but what about -- but our welfare state, Capri, I mean, we’ve got it here and it’s tethering. We’re talking trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities, Capri.

CAFARO: Right. Look, I mean, I would beg to differ that social security and Medicare are socialist programs, but there is no question that we do have solvency issues, both is Medicare part a which still in capitalization, as well as social security.


MACDONALD: Listen, if you have, I get it. You know, FDR under his administration, they called it a socialist program, his officials there. I understand what you are saying. But Capri, I mean, there is paper sitting there, there’s unfunded liabilities in social security. Final word, Kelsey.

HARKNESS: Just look at the streets of France. It’s not working for the everyday citizen, it’s not working there and there is no reason to believe that it would work here.

MACDONALD: OK. Kelsey and Capri, you guys have been great tonight. Thank you for your insights.

CAFARO: Thank you.

HARKNESS: Thank you.

MACDONALD: Come back soon. Coming up, the search now on for the next White House chief of staff who can champion Trump’s economic agenda and battle growing Democrat p[robes. Who is that person? Fred Barnes is coming up next with his top pick. And what this all means for your household finances.

But first, tech companies still under fire. Amazon seller scams continue to affect the company. Amazon saying it will not tolerate a big crackdown there. Also, the CEO of Google will testify tomorrow to the House judiciary committee. Goggle critic and foe Harmeet Dhillon coming up after the break. Stay there.


MACDONALD: Facebook under fire for not being able to control its two billion users. Now, it looks like Amazon was trying to take control of its site because here’s what’s going on. It has three million businesses selling stuff on its website. Half of all internet commerce is on Amazon.

And now this, Amazon has been dealing with seller scams. Scammers coming on the site to sabotage their rival’s businesses by attacking their competitors’ products with negative reviews. And more, Amazon has condemned these actions saying, “we have zero tolerance for abuse of our systems and if we find bad actors, we will take swift action against them, including terminating their selling accounts, deleting reviews, withholding funds, and taking legal action.” That’s hardball.

It is now known that Amazon has fired U.S. workers who released internal data to help these scammers. But there’s another big story as well. It’s Google CEO testifying tomorrow. Let’s get Attorney Harmeet Dhillon on all of this. Great to see you, Harmeet.

HARMEET DHILLON, ATTORNEY: Thanks, Liz. Happy to be here.

MACDONALD: Your take on Amazon first.

DHILLON: Well, the type of skullduggery that is going on there is simply on a digital platform, but it’s as old as time, I’m sure. And so I think Amazon seems to be responding appropriately in trying to cut this down. It’s an Amazon economic interest to make sure that vendors believe it is a fair and level playing field.

But, you know, we had tools outside of Amazon. Prosecutors as well as civil parties can actually go and file lawsuits or indictments with regard to this type of massive fraudulent behavior. Hopefully that will take place in order for us to put an end to it.

MACDONALD: You know, tomorrow, the CEO of Google, Sundar Pichai is testifying in front of the House Judiciary Committee. Republicans are going to dig into the lengths Google goes to silence dissent. We continue, Harmeet, to see more evidence that that is happening. There is anti- conservative bias, also surveillance of users and their location data. Harmett, what will you be looking for from the hearing tomorrow?

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